{"id":1077,"date":"2025-11-03T10:36:28","date_gmt":"2025-11-03T15:36:28","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/?p=1077"},"modified":"2025-11-03T10:36:47","modified_gmt":"2025-11-03T15:36:47","slug":"no-1-in-11-new-yorkers-will-not-move-if-mamdani-wins","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/no-1-in-11-new-yorkers-will-not-move-if-mamdani-wins\/","title":{"rendered":"No, 1 in 11 New Yorkers will not move if Mamdani wins"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.flickr.com\/photos\/edenpictures\/54584670904\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"2048\" height=\"1152\" src=\"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/54584670904_695eebeb51_k.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1078\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/54584670904_695eebeb51_k.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/54584670904_695eebeb51_k-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/54584670904_695eebeb51_k-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/11\/54584670904_695eebeb51_k-1536x864.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 2048px) 100vw, 2048px\" \/><\/a><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/nypost.com\/2025\/11\/03\/us-news\/nearly-a-million-new-yorkers-ready-to-flee-nyc-if-mamdani-becomes-mayor-poll\/\">headline in the New York Post<\/a> was characteristically cautious: &#8220;<strong>Nearly a million New Yorkers ready to flee NYC if Mamdani becomes mayor<\/strong> \u2014 possibly igniting mass exodus: poll.&#8221; Why the departure of almost a million of the city&#8217;s 8.4 million residents isn&#8217;t <em>itself<\/em> a mass exodus isn&#8217;t really explained in the article that follows, but, look. If the game is constantly ratcheting up the fear factor, you have to have somewhere to take the panic, right?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>As someone within the fallout radius of the New York City mayoral race, it&#8217;s striking how much of the late-campaign rhetoric is centered on terrifying voters. My sons, aged 6 and 8, had never seen footage of the World Trade Center attack until this weekend when, during the World Series, an Andrew Cuomo ad used the footage to suggest that a Zohran Mamdani victory would somehow lead to a second such attack. You know, because &#8220;Muslim.&#8221; (That the actual mayor during that attack was an older Italian guy seems not to have occurred to Cuomo&#8217;s rabid ad team.)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Post&#8217;s &#8220;nearly a million&#8221; story is based on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailymail.co.uk\/news\/article-15235135\/Mamdani-New-York-exodus-mayoral-race.html\">a Daily Mail article<\/a> that is itself derived from a poll completed for the tabloid by the firm J.L. Partners. Incidentally, the &#8220;nearly a million&#8221; is actually &#8220;at least 765,000 citizens,&#8221; according to the Daily Mail, a figure that is equivalent to 9 percent of the city&#8217;s population.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That 9 percent is the point, actually. According to the poll, that&#8217;s the percentage of all city residents who told the pollsters they would &#8220;definitely leave&#8221; if Mamdani is elected (as other polls suggest he will be). In other words, about 90 people told J.L. Partners they would absolutely, no-question move if Mamdani wins and that became &#8220;nearly a million&#8221; in New-York-Postese.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>J.L. Partners isn&#8217;t a terrible pollster, earning <a href=\"https:\/\/www.natesilver.net\/p\/pollster-ratings-silver-bulletin\">a B\/C grade<\/a> in analysis from The Silver Bulletin earlier this year. It was, however, one of three pollsters that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.natesilver.net\/p\/so-how-did-the-polls-do-in-2024-its\">overestimated Republican support<\/a> in the 2024 election cycle, which is perhaps not a surprise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The problem here, really, is that you can&#8217;t extrapolate in the way that the Post and Daily Mail are extrapolating. Not because a poll of 1,000 people is too small to provide insights; it isn&#8217;t. But because it&#8217;s much, much easier to say &#8220;I will definitely move&#8221; than it is to actually move. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Consider, for example, that one-fifth of respondents from Staten Island said they would definitely leave the city. No, they won&#8217;t! They already barely live in New York City as it is. One percent of <em>Mamdani voters<\/em> are definitely going to move if he wins? I have to say that that seems a bit incongruous.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There have certainly been moments in the city&#8217;s past when people have actually packed up and left.  There was a period of stagnation in the mid-1900s that became an exodus during the tumultuous 1970s. More recently, a big chunk of New Yorkers moved out during the coronavirus pandemic, as people were literally dying in the streets.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"min-height:631px\" id=\"datawrapper-vis-3Xt8X\"><script type=\"text\/javascript\" defer src=\"https:\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/3Xt8X\/embed.js\" charset=\"utf-8\" data-target=\"#datawrapper-vis-3Xt8X\"><\/script><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/3Xt8X\/full.png\" alt=\"New York City population over time (Line chart)\" \/><\/noscript><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>The covid-inspired departures made up only about 5 percent of the city&#8217;s population. The departures during the 1970s made up about 10 percent. (Notice that Staten Island didn&#8217;t lose a significant number of residents during the pandemic \u2014\u00a0and gained residents during the 1970s.) The Post\/Daily Mail would have us believe that what&#8217;s looming is an exodus akin to the Bronx-is-burning era \u2014\u00a0simply if Mamdani wins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"min-height:482px\" id=\"datawrapper-vis-xdzbB\"><script type=\"text\/javascript\" defer src=\"https:\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/xdzbB\/embed.js\" charset=\"utf-8\" data-target=\"#datawrapper-vis-xdzbB\"><\/script><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/datawrapper.dwcdn.net\/xdzbB\/full.png\" alt=\"How New York City's changed in the past (Grouped Bars)\" \/><\/noscript><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Perhaps, if he wins, the city will see the sort of collapse that drove people away in the 1970s. Perhaps some chunk of those saying they&#8217;ll leave are certain that it will. But it seems far, far more likely that those people are claiming that they will move are simply making a political statement about their opposition to Mamdani and to Mamdani-esque politics than they are actually planning to leave.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If they <em>did<\/em> leave, it seems extremely safe to assume that the sudden glut of available rental units (and the accompanying price drop) would lead to a rapid repopulation. There are a lot of reasons that New Yorkers live in New York and there are a lot of reasons that non-New Yorkers <em>want<\/em> to live there. One reason many don&#8217;t is that there simply isn&#8217;t enough affordable housing for them to do so. If 8 percent of Brooklyn and 6 percent of Manhattan suddenly leaves (as this polls asserts), I&#8217;m very confident that there would be a lot of rental applications in short order.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>On social media, the New York Post <a href=\"https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/pbump.com\/post\/3m4pxhrip5c23\">shared an image<\/a> they apparently made, showing Wall Street executives wearing cowboy hats over a quote from another executive declaring that &#8220;you don&#8217;t sacrifice anything by being in Dallas versus being in New York.&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If that were true, a lot of those executives would already live in Dallas, a city with one-sixth the population of New York. But they don&#8217;t. They live in New York. And I&#8217;m pretty sure that the transition most of them are about to make is from sitting at expensive Tribeca restaurants and loudly complaining about the dire policy possibilities that would accompany a Mamdani victory to sitting in those same restaurants a year from now, loudly complaining about the policies themselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><em>Photo: A street scene in New York City. (Eden, Janine and Jim on Flickr, shared under Creative Commons license)<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The headline in the New York Post was characteristically cautious: &#8220;Nearly a million New Yorkers ready to flee NYC if Mamdani becomes mayor \u2014 possibly igniting mass exodus: poll.&#8221; Why the departure of almost a million of the city&#8217;s 8.4 million residents isn&#8217;t itself a mass exodus isn&#8217;t really explained&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_bbp_topic_count":0,"_bbp_reply_count":0,"_bbp_total_topic_count":0,"_bbp_total_reply_count":0,"_bbp_voice_count":0,"_bbp_anonymous_reply_count":0,"_bbp_topic_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_reply_count_hidden":0,"_bbp_forum_subforum_count":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1077","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1077","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1077"}],"version-history":[{"count":2,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1077\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":1081,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1077\/revisions\/1081"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1077"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1077"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.pbump.net\/o\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1077"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}